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  • Originally posted by Speedbird View Post
    Yes; but the question is if UL can afford them
    Well hasnt it already been ordered by UL? so the question is answered already (if its suitable)

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    • Originally posted by sm777 View Post
      Well hasnt it already been ordered by UL? so the question is answered already (if its suitable)
      no there are no confirmation on that yet...they did an announcement and allocated USD$80 Million for 10 planes. Sri Lankan politicians are very good in giving announcements but not on the deliverable.

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      • Originally posted by Speedbird View Post
        Yes; but the question is if UL can afford them
        Commercial aircraft's operated by airlines, use more sophisticated leases and debt financing schemes.

        Three most common schemes for financing commercial aircraft are secured lending, operating leasing & finance leasing.

        However, there are other ways to pay for the aircraft.

        Cash
        Operating leasing and sale/leasebacks
        Bank loans/finance leases
        Export credit guaranteed loans
        Tax leases
        Manufacturer support

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          • Originally posted by Max View Post
            Commercial aircraft's operated by airlines, use more sophisticated leases and debt financing schemes.

            Three most common schemes for financing commercial aircraft are secured lending, operating leasing & finance leasing.

            However, there are other ways to pay for the aircraft.

            Cash
            Operating leasing and sale/leasebacks
            Bank loans/finance leases
            Export credit guaranteed loans
            Tax leases
            Manufacturer support
            They have all built in interest rates which is directly proportional to the credit rating of the company.
            For example EK borrows at a very low interest rate (I think less than 1%) whereas UL borrow at 4% + (I think that the rate last time they borrowed from Mashreq bank)
            UL cannot go after commercial loans that why they are going after shareholder (GOSL) for the capital injection

            No one gives free money

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            • Originally posted by Speedbird View Post
              They have all built in interest rates which is directly proportional to the credit rating of the company.
              For example EK borrows at a very low interest rate (I think less than 1%) whereas UL borrow at 4% + (I think that the rate last time they borrowed from Mashreq bank)
              UL cannot go after commercial loans that why they are going after shareholder (GOSL) for the capital injection

              No one gives free money
              You're statement is meaningless without giving a tenor or if the funding is secured or not. On an unsecured basis, EK at a group/corporate level borrows at around 3% for 5year money. On a secured aircraft financing basis it's less.

              UL is most likely leasing its planes and that should also come with a 'wrapping' from a European export credit agency which in effect would make the financing risk free. So it will not be directly proportionate to ULs standalone credit strength but be assessed on a transaction by transaction basis. Aircraft are rarely financed at a company leave and very few airlines buy their planes, they lease them.

              The loan from Mashreq was a corporate facility for 3years with a treasury guarantee and secured through ULs USD receivables. Mashreq got an amazing deal, the stupid government didn't open the transaction up for competition therefore the bank dictated the terms. Someone somewhere made a cut so it ended up being a transaction withouth tenders and competition from other suppliers, typical way to do business in SL.

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              • Originally posted by NeatStuff View Post
                You're statement is meaningless without giving a tenor or if the funding is secured or not. On an unsecured basis, EK at a group/corporate level borrows at around 3% for 5year money. On a secured aircraft financing basis it's less.

                UL is most likely leasing its planes and that should also come with a 'wrapping' from a European export credit agency which in effect would make the financing risk free. So it will not be directly proportionate to ULs standalone credit strength but be assessed on a transaction by transaction basis. Aircraft are rarely financed at a company leave and very few airlines buy their planes, they lease them.

                The loan from Mashreq was a corporate facility for 3years with a treasury guarantee and secured through ULs USD receivables. Mashreq got an amazing deal, the stupid government didn't open the transaction up for competition therefore the bank dictated the terms. Someone somewhere made a cut so it ended up being a transaction withouth tenders and competition from other suppliers, typical way to do business in SL.
                Yes we are talking about secured aircraft financing that is very low for EK. and as per your assessment EK corporate unsecured loan (3year) is higher than UL's SECURED (3year) loan.

                Export Credit:
                asset and lending risk assessment is done before Export Credit finance rate is approved.
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                (Page 14)

                For every airline interest rate differs; right now question is if UL can afford (in your term lease) the planes. It even cannot settle CPC bills on time

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                • Originally posted by Banuthev View Post
                  I heard C-GLKB has now been returned to the YTH on 10-12 May 2013, after lease to SriLankan Airtaxi.
                  Originally posted by CalgaryLankan View Post




                  Btw Any news about Cinnamon air fleet?

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                  • Originally posted by Speedbird View Post
                    Yes we are talking about secured aircraft financing that is very low for EK. and as per your assessment EK corporate unsecured loan (3year) is higher than UL's SECURED (3year) loan.

                    Export Credit:
                    asset and lending risk assessment is done before Export Credit finance rate is approved.
                    Book flights across the world and Fly Better with Emirates. Explore our global routes, find the best fares, and discover our unforgettable onboard experience.

                    (Page 14)

                    For every airline interest rate differs; right now question is if UL can afford (in your term lease) the planes. It even cannot settle CPC bills on time
                    Airbus orders that have financing in place involve export credit drawing on state guarantees and sale leaseback arrangements, where airlines buy planes and then sell them to lessors, who lease them to airlines for monthly rental payments.

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                    • SriLankan Airlines has signed an agreement to purchase 10 new airbuses, last Friday

                      SriLankan Airlines has signed an agreement to purchase 10 new airbuses which would be added to the present fleet within the next two years. The purchase agreement had been signed by SriLankan Chairman Nishantha Wickremasinghe and Airbus Industries in Colombo last Friday.

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                      • Originally posted by Highflyer View Post
                        SriLankan Airlines has signed an agreement to purchase 10 new airbuses which would be added to the present fleet within the next two years. The purchase agreement had been signed by SriLankan Chairman Nishantha Wickremasinghe and Airbus Industries in Colombo last Friday.
                        no news in airbus site...

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                        • Originally posted by AirCeylon View Post
                          no news in airbus site...
                          Eye Wash - They are leasing used ones and trying make us fool

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                          • Originally posted by Azamh View Post
                            Eye Wash - They are leasing used ones and trying make us fool
                            Are you sure! perhaps UL is getting used A333s as an interim repalcement until brand new A333s delivered?

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                            • Originally posted by Banuthev View Post
                              Are you sure! perhaps UL is getting used A333 as an interim repalcement until brand new A333 delivered?
                              dont know till we get the brand new delivery or permanent purchase of used 333. im waiting till the peacok comes out. I will update once ready.

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                              • Originally posted by Highflyer View Post
                                SriLankan Airlines has signed an agreement to purchase 10 new airbuses, last Friday

                                SriLankan Airlines has signed an agreement to purchase 10 new airbuses which would be added to the present fleet within the next two years. The purchase agreement had been signed by SriLankan Chairman Nishantha Wickremasinghe and Airbus Industries in Colombo last Friday.

                                http://www.dailynews.lk/2013/05/20/bus01.asp
                                No Such Deal Signed - http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/all...ress-releases/

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